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Marathi Vs. Non Marathi. Logic Extension.

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Disclaimer: I’m not anti-anyone. 🙂

Almost everyone with a blog is making his/her voice heard about the Marathi Vs. Non-Marathi issue going on around. The safest stand one can take (and looks like everyone is taking) is that the protest by MNS is wrong. Because it attracts support from a bigger chunk of people in India.

I said in my earlier post that I won’t express my thoughts on this issue. But when the world is shouting, I can’t keep my mouth shut :mrgreen:

One of the points that’s being put forth by most of the bloggers is that we are ‘Indian’ first and ‘Marathi’ or ‘Non-Marathi’ later. I’ve always been a supporter of the idea. But decades ago, our politicians divided India into internal states, purely on the basis of language spoken. Now after dividing India into different states on the basis of language, we are being told that anyone can migrate to any place and make a living. We are being told it is wrong to expect the migrants to absorb the local culture and speak regional language etc.

Agreed. Point well said.

Now, I extend the logic. Let us expand our views. We all are humans first, we are the residents of the world first before we are Indians, Americans, South-Afrians etc. So what was wrong with British rule in India? They were just people like you and I who migrated to India, then shrewdly took over our local governments and then ruled us for over 200 years. Come on. Why did we asked them to go out of India? We are the citizens of the world and anyone should be allowed to go to any country to make a living without any problem.

Logic extended. What do you say?

The Big K


  1. Mayur

    November 6, 2008

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    Only if you could understand the difference between a state and a country.

    Anyway, here is my view. It should be alright for me to migrate to any part of the world for living or for the love of the place as long as I’m not interfering (rather taking away) in the right of the local inhabitant to live freely in his own territory. Freedom for me is to the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints, any where in the world. If my freedom is snatched from me forcibly, I have every right to win it back.

    That is what the whole point is. Do you think Marathi speaking population is forcibly deprived of some thing because of the North Indians? I thin not (Please don’t quote Laloo Yadav and Railway example)

  2. The Big K

    November 6, 2008

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    Well well. I look at states & countries as regions created by man by drawing imaginary lines on the land. Am I wrong?

    You know, when you go & live in Japan, you learn to speak Japanese. In Germany, you have to learn German. In USA, you have to learn English. You can’t go in Russia & open a shop with name in Hindi (you may write your Hindi name in Russian, of course!). Then why not do the same in India?

    No one is forcibly taking away your freedom. What is being asked is to follow the law. It didn’t happen, unfortunately, for several decades. Only if people listened when politely told, we’d have never seen the day.

    *Disclaimer II*: I’m NOT supporting any political party.

  3. Mayur

    November 6, 2008

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    Argument well taken. But how many of the mentioned countries have 26 widely spoken languages? We would have had to learn them despite being a part of the same country. That is why Hindi was chosen as it was the most popular language. (So that at least people from such diverse culture would be able to communicate)

    Why we speak English? Well… no comments on that.

  4. kidakaka

    November 6, 2008

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    The problem or rather the prick, is since Mumbai is a metropolitan city, there is no need to pick up Marathi language to make a living as opposed to something like Chennai, where you would stick out like a sore thumb if the only Tamil you spoke was “Tamil Teriyade!!” (I dont know Tamil). So MNS is being vain in this issue and see beyond silly issues, or rather suck it up. Mumbai or Maharashtra cannot be what it is without the non-Marathi folks. Suck it up!!

  5. The Big K

    November 6, 2008

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    You don’t live in 26 states at the same time. You live in ONE state and you are supposed to absorb the culture of that state, not other states.

    I agree that Maharashtra cannot be what it is without non-Marathi. But these non-marathi people have been living here for decades and most of them have sunk in Marathi culture.

    I’ve also heard few arguments like “Ok, take all non-Marathi people out of Maharashtra and then run the show, if you can!”.

    My extended logic is not being answered in comments. What was wrong with British rule in India? Why did our people die to get them out of India?

  6. kid

    November 6, 2008

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    The logic cannot be extended.. why ??

    We did not choose the Britishers to rule us. Was it democratic??
    Did they earn it, by way of qualification?? We kicked them out for our freedom, not jobs.

    When people move across states, they don’t forcefully do everything (jobs and other stuff). They are chosen based on qualifications and credentials.

    There is a difference between letting people in and allowing them to rule us and letting people in and sharing together!!

    Do we restrict the entry of Britishers in our country?? Only if they don’t meet the criteria to enter (mainly security related).

    Are you implying, that every Indian should be kicked out of every other place in the world and sent back to India??

  7. Tanmay

    November 6, 2008

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    You are not getting the point.
    The point is the kind of mentality we are developing.
    Today its just marathi – non-marathi. Tomorrow it will be that I am from mumbai and you are from nagpur , and then I am from north mumbai and you are from south mumbai and so on.
    We are becoming more and more anti-social and thats not a good thing .

  8. Mayur

    November 6, 2008

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    First, I think your logic, or the lack of it, was already addressed in my first comment. You missed it.

    Second, yes I dont live in 26 states (28 actually) at the same time. But I interact with people who belong to these states in one country India and I need one common language. We have chosen it to be Hindi. I think you didn’t understand my comment. You are treating different states as different countries.

  9. The Big K

    November 6, 2008

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    Boy! I knew the simple point I made would need lot of explanation. Anyway.

    @ Kid: Look at it this way. Britishers came to India for trade. We entered into trade with them because they had some good stuff to offer. So, they stayed on. A bunch of people, as they always were, were smart (you’ll have to agree) to take over India’s control and rule us. Of course we did not ask them to rule us.

    I’m no way implying that Indians or anyone else should be asked to leave the country in which they are living. I’m just expressing my views on the thought that we are ‘Indians First, and Marathi, non-Marathi’ later. Please go through the post once again.

    @ Tanmay: Of course we are being anti-social.

    @ Mayur: I’m sorry if you are offended. I the post is quite logical. Yes, Hindi (or English) is the common language of communication. But the law does enforce local language based shop titles. Correct me if I am wrong.

  10. kid

    November 6, 2008

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    Well, we had states for better management. ( I don’t know whether we have achieved that goal though !!)

    Each state is further divided in districts and stuff. So why put the limit only on States, why not at the District, Town or any other level!! Why only states??

  11. The Big K

    November 6, 2008

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    @ Kid : If the states were to be made for better management, they shouldn’t have been made on the basis of language, you know.

  12. kid

    November 7, 2008

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    You classify and group….It is not only language, it is also the culture, festivals, food which varies with each state!! Its basically one group/set of people into one state.

  13. Abid

    November 8, 2008

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    I think for the first time we are missing some commonsense on this blog. 😉 Why are you talking about Britishers and all that? The British annexed our lands, looted our boots, disrespected our culture etc, etc 😉 We are all of the same race belonging to the same sub continent. They are a different race. Well eventually there should not be any lines.

    Like Russel Peters said eventually there will be only two kinds of people remaining on earth. It should be either an Indian or the Chinese. 😉 Jokes apart, when the constitution was framed, we were all given the right to move between states, own land anywhere and work in those places. Irrespective of the language or cast or creed we belong to.

    Only regret is the time and effort people are wasting even discussing all this. When we should be thinking about tackling illiteracy, eradicating poverty and probably becoming a super power. Especially at a time when the economy is in shambles, people are going to loose jobs.

    Its high time we learn something from the Americans. Learn something from how they have elected Obama. Nothing really matters. What matters eventually is food and shelter. I think that we need change too, and change we need!

  14. Kaustubh

    November 8, 2008

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    I wish to put my comments on this issue based on my experiences:
    1) Its not that Germany has only German Language, Japan has Japanese and so on. I realized while in South Africa that even this small country (compared to India) has 21 official languages and many other regional ones. But like we have English being language for most of the official purposes and Hindi being National Language in India they have English and Afrikaans as their main languages. It is true about all other countries. After talking to my Afrikaan friend there, I realized though Afrikaan and English makes your job easy but if you wish to enjoy your life there you better learn the language of the region you are in. Since Afrikaans was the main language in the region I stayed, I did learnt a bit of it.
    2) The question is not about restricting people to go and work in other states. The question is about keeping the culture of the land intact. I am from Pune and am working in Bangalore at present. What I realized in my short stay, the people who are really enjoying the life are the outsiders. The localoids are gaining merely the peanuts (this may be more than what they were earning earlier but at the cost of what?). We have a big staff in our office and I feel bad that hardly 5% of them are Kannadigans. If at all they are there, they are mostly occupying the fourth grade positions in the organization. I don’t call that as their progress. On the contrary we are using their lands, polluting their air and water, making them experience heavy traffics, making them suffer to heavy power cuts (we can afford to install inverters at home with big money in our pocket, can they?). In short we are exploiting their natural resources as well as them just like the Britishers did with us.
    2a) Here, I would like to share my own experience from Pune. I stay in a apartment of 16 flats. As good as 7 to 8 of them are occupied by Bachelors and almost all of the them hail from regions of MP, UP and Bihar. A few from Punjab. Just one bunch of maharashtrians. From there started our troubles, late night high volume parties, Birthday wishes to be delievered at 12 o’clock with big bangs and screeching voices of bike brakes. Not to forget the dances at morning 2 o’clock. Beer crates emptied and thrown in stairs or roof. Stains of Tambaku paans in parking as well as on the walls of the building. Marathi group was also involved in similar activities but we could bring them in control by simple warnings ( possibly being in the same state) but it took us 3 police complaints and few mob entries from members of 3 apartments of society to control the rest. We tried all different ways but only this way finally worked. We were then forced to put stringent rules to make our society livable for ourselves. It sounds too funny of imposing rules on others to make our life easy in our own society. (not to forget we tried making use of flat owners to make peace but when money is god all other things go vain in other words making use of localoids by throwing some money on their face). You go to any society in Pune near an IT hub or a private MBA college, you will hear the same experience.
    3) Point about Britishers is very good one. They came here for trade and slowly and steadily took over the power. They exploited us BUT also introduced us to the modern world (may be for their own purpose, but they did). We are following the same trend. Introducing the technologies but exploiting the localoids. Just as an example, the bus facility here in Bangalore has 2 main classes. One is where AC Volvos run and hardly show any local face and other the common khatara buses where you can not recognize out of all the hands hanging which one is yours.
    4) Finally, I wish to look at the issue with another perspective. If you see recent news, you will find that the words of Raj are recently being supported by many of the leaders of opposition parties. I believe this will take a good turn something similar to partial bloodshed history of Indian independence by Ahinsak method of Gandhiji. If proper steps are taken, then in near we can see the cities like Lucknow, Patna and many others growing similarly as Bangalore, Pune. This will help reducing the transition of job searching people from their native place to selected IT hubs mostly in west and south.
    This will people earn their bread in their own land and help let them live a better life with their family.
    I do not know about others but I miss my Pune and my family every day.

  15. ellie k

    November 10, 2008

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    I have to agree that the point you have raised about the British rule in India made me stop and think for a while .However ,for me the comparison is insignificant .Times have changed drastically even in the last 50 years .We talk about liberalisation and globalisation .People are almost free to go wherever they please ,and live ,talk and walk with all the freedom they want .In this time and age ,this entire argument about mumbai makes no sense to me .

    As far as the job scenario is concerned , I think it has always been the “let-the-best man-win -policy”.
    the most competent person gets the job,i hope it is that way.

    also ,this is such a common phenomena everywhere now-a-days .I’m sure the americans are not very happy about the increasing number of Indians receiving pay-cheques in their country .so on and so forth .

    I really fear that one day the world leaders will gather up and decide that people to stick to their home towns and move out .Could you imagine life that way?

    So then how can we stop ants from surrounding a cube of sugar .:)

  16. deepika

    November 12, 2008

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    Marathi is an Indo-Aryan language spoken by about 71 million people mainly in the Indian state of Maharashtra and neighbouring states. Marathi is also spoken in Israel and Mauritius.
    Here i found some more stuff on the read it…

  17. Amit

    November 16, 2008

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    Comparison taken.

    But I really don’t get it. Is anyone afraid that the people from Bihar and UP would now forcibly take over the administration in Maharashtra and force the natives to second-class citizenship?

    Is there any place for paranoia towards people who are even a little different from us in this century? And especially when the animosity is not demonstrated towards one or two “different” people, but towards a race of people, stereotyping them all.

    Is there more similarity amongst all Biharis than there is amongst one Bihari and one Maharashtrian and one Kannadiga, say, working in the same office, or maybe visiting the same gym or living in the same building? If there isn’t, what’s the fuss all about?

  18. pratik

    December 5, 2008

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    those stupids who are asking to develop mumbai without non-marathis. here is my reply. have you the guts to develop india without foreign investmenr. why are you inviting MNCs to set up business here. and you indians would have died of hunger if BPO industyr would not have come to india. can india develope without FDI, and what difference it makes if all jobs are provided to bangaldeshi if they prove competent.

  19. Rohan Patil

    April 23, 2009

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    @ Amit

    You said that ” I really don’t get it. Is anyone afraid that the people from Bihar and UP would now forcibly take over the administration in Maharashtra and force the natives to second-class citizenship? ”

    I am sorry to tell you that today 26 (roughly 10%) of corporators (i.e. nagar sevaks) in Mumbai are not Maharashtrians. Not to mention Priya Dutt hails from UP who is the sitting MP from Mumbai.

    So it would be wrong to say that Biharis and UPians are not taking over the administration. They are slowly creeping up the ladder by their numbers in the slums of Mumbai.

    @ pratik

    Sir, Capital and labour are essential for the growth of economic activity. I agree. But what we really want is uniform economic development in India. Today, southern states (GJ, MH and four south Indian state) are growing at 8-11% where as the Northern states with bulk of the Indian population has no growth in real terms. Ironically, it is there population which grows faster than the GDP. Your statement about bangladeshi vividly shows your abundance of ignorance. Please seek some professional help.


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